Renee Sandell and I had the recent privilege of being the featured guests on Davis publications long-running “K-12 Art Chat – The Podcast” where we talked about our 2023 book, “Real Lives Now: Narratives of Art Educators and 21st Century Learning”, the power of storytelling in education, and more. The episode is available on most major podcast platforms, including Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/episode/59phv6ApE17TkPAQupAzWx…,) and the resources page on the Davis website (https://www.davisart.com/…/narratives-of-art-educators…/). Thank you Davis and Matt and Laura for giving us this opportunity!